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#151 2013-07-04 06:54:47

Bailed over Hungary. Where's Waldo...

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#152 2013-07-06 00:35:45

http://i.imgur.com/Dm7YCLC.jpg
via Techdirt

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#153 2013-07-11 07:06:37

The NSA goes looking to hire and finds more Snowdens.

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#154 2013-07-11 07:48:07

square wrote:

The NSA goes looking to hire and finds more Snowdens.

What they found was a well oiled wood chipper dialed down to tooth pick. That was lovely.

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#157 2013-07-21 18:31:46

Thanks for posting that.

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#158 2013-07-21 19:17:40

square wrote:

Telescreens vs. the Eye of Sauron.

3. The Louder the Noise, the Fainter the Signal

I don't know. The daily drumbeat is oppressive and seems intimately connected to our nonstop banking horrors, the former meant to suppress dissent of the later.

My own anecdotal canvas of shit disturbing colleagues reveals once voluble sources say little or nothing any more, when they return their calls at all. At least it's comforting to know y'all are my known associates and only one hop away. So there's that.

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#159 2013-07-21 19:51:04

*mindfart*

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#160 2013-07-21 20:13:25

The State Department explains the difference between a press conference and a propaganda platform.

QUESTION: Okay. Well, then forget about what you said or what the Embassy people said in these specific phone calls. Do you believe that Mr. Snowden should not have had the opportunity to express his views at the airport in Moscow today?

MS. PSAKI: Well, Matt, I think we broadly believe in free speech, as you know.

QUESTION: Except when it comes to this.

MS. PSAKI: But we cannot look at this as a – I know we like to ask about sweeping scenarios in here, but --

QUESTION: No, this is not sweeping at all. This is very specific, related to one guy in one place in one city, one airport, one time. So I just – do you think that it was inappropriate for Mr. Snowden to speak publicly? Do you – I mean, not that – whether you’re disappointed in the Russians. Do you think that he should not have had the opportunity to speak publicly?

MS. PSAKI: Our focus, Matt, is on how our concern about how Russian authorities clearly helped assist the ability of attendees to participate in this.

QUESTION: Mm-hmm.

MS. PSAKI: That is of concern to us. Our focus is on returning Mr. Snowden to the United States. Beyond that, I just don’t have anything more.

QUESTION: Okay. I’m just – I’m trying to get – you are saying that this essentially – it wasn’t a press conference, but it might as well have been. And you don’t think the Russians should have helped to facilitate a --

MS. PSAKI: Facilitated a propaganda platform for Mr. Snowden.

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#161 2013-07-21 20:20:14

choad wrote:

My own anecdotal canvas of shit disturbing colleagues reveals once voluble sources say little or nothing any more, when they return their calls at all.

Yes, while an interesting analysis, I think the article gives 1984 short shrift.  He recognized that total surveillance was not necessary to silence dissent.

George Orwell wrote:

There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

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#164 2013-07-28 21:45:17

Things don't end happily for all involved, though.

“It’s always the minions of the federal government who are thrown under the bus by officials who consistently violate international law and sometimes domestic law and who are all immune from prosecution,” De Sousa said. “Their lives are fine. They’re making millions of dollars sitting on (corporate) boards.”

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#165 2013-07-28 22:09:06

I've driven and bused that border crossing 5 times and nothing about this story tracks.

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#166 2013-07-28 22:39:07

I want to give Phreddy props for this thread, what is happening to us now is not driven by politic parties and we need to acknowledge the money and influence at play.

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#167 2013-07-28 23:15:12

Emmeran wrote:

I want to give Phreddy props for this thread, what is happening to us now is not driven by politic parties and we need to acknowledge the money and influence at play.

I'm not so sure of that that political parties can be divorced from this mess, after all the whole PNAC crew were in executive power backed by a Republican rubber stamp Congress when everything from the Patriot Act to the militarization of domestic police all began. Even so, the solution won't come from parties, and Pheddy does indeed deserve props for starting this thread.

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#168 2013-07-29 15:42:34

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/ … NQ20130726

It is a slippery slope on which we currently stand.

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#169 2013-07-29 16:58:48

Emmeran wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/26/us-usa-security-snowden-germany-idUSBRE96P0NQ20130726

It is a slippery slope on which we currently stand.

Just like Bradley Manning (Runs, ducking for cover!)

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#170 2013-07-29 17:29:12

Dmtdust wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/26/us-usa-security-snowden-germany-idUSBRE96P0NQ20130726

It is a slippery slope on which we currently stand.

Just like Bradley Manning (Runs, ducking for cover!)

See now there is a difference, I hold against Manning as he swore an oath; he broke that oath, there we go and end of story.  I support Snowden as he was simply a contractor and had something specific to tell.

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#171 2013-07-30 14:07:02

I think both of these guys had no idea what they were getting into.  Manning thought he would be seen as a hero for exposing military wrongdoing.  Unfortunately for him, the military gets to decide who its heroes are.  And they take seriously your oath to keep secrets.

Snowden has really fucked himself.  I'm betting he never gets out of Russia.  Unless he has stashed the rest of his purloined secrets outside the country, they will never come to public light.  The Russians have no interest in letting the rest of the world in on our secrets, so long as they know them.  And, once they have no more use for Snowden, he will be regulated to a life of routine Russian drudgery.

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#174 2013-08-02 02:14:44

The NSA gives its promise that it won't violate the law - and they would never cheat and lie, would they?

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#175 2013-08-02 12:54:18

Not sure if this is the right thread or not but I just saw on Twitter someone say something to the effect of "where America is when our citizens are defecting to Russia." in light of Snowden's asylum.

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#177 2013-08-02 13:15:53

Nice. May both our Gulag systems someday compete with the Chinese for the mobile market.

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#178 2013-08-02 15:05:21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQqmtG8CYAAvGsg.jpg

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#179 2013-08-03 00:48:59

The Obama and Bush administrations have so disgraced the reputation of the United States’ criminal justice system that we are forced to promise KGB alums that we will not torture our own citizens if Russia extradites them for prosecution.

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#180 2013-08-03 01:02:10

A few more for today:

Newspeak dictionary.

What happens when you try to report problems "through proper channels."

More whistleblowers: NSA spied on that dangerous character Samuel AlitoExtended interview footage.

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#181 2013-08-04 13:26:48

The beltway circle jerk weighs in...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/us/ot … ss&emc=rss

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#183 2013-08-04 20:34:42

Probably not related but SpaceGhetto is now DNS gone.

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#184 2013-08-04 21:19:31

Emmeran wrote:

Probably not related but SpaceGhetto is now DNS gone.

It only means I will spend less time fucking around.  Seriously, its been in a death spiral for 8 or so months.

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#187 2013-08-05 11:20:08

More SS hijinks.  The feds are making up false investigation scenarios so defendants cannot question their sources.  Isn't there something in the Constitution about facing your accusers?

Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.

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#189 2013-08-06 11:49:45

If the NSA was collecting data in conformance with the act as it is currently written the data would at least be relevant to some investigation.  The problem, as I see it, is that the FISA courts have given carte blanch to the NSA and are ruling that every conceivable bit of information is relevant.

I don't really blame the intelligence gatherers.  In their world, they would like to have access to everything.  We put the court there to rein them in and the court has failed to use common sense.  I suppose we need to incorporate stronger language into the bill to now to rein in the court.

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#190 2013-08-06 13:42:16

The entire FISA Court concept is a scary idea, basically it's a secret court.  Zero public scrutiny and zero accountability.

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#191 2013-08-06 15:43:34

The Washington Post had a similar article.  The feds are conspiring to avoid the consequences of the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine, knowing it has no right to use the data for prosecution purposes.  The whole thing is nauseating and probably unstoppable absent some kind of awakening in the body politic.

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#193 2013-08-07 00:04:29

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#194 2013-08-07 04:20:55

Dmtdust wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

Probably not related but SpaceGhetto is now DNS gone.

It only means I will spend less time fucking around.  Seriously, its been in a death spiral for 8 or so months.

It's baaaaacccck...

http://31.media.tumblr.com/b69fc641f00ff05a92f1a62ce56515e5/tumblr_mj0criX9FY1qg39ewo1_500.gif

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#195 2013-08-09 04:28:56

Liberty or death.

I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations.

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#196 2013-08-10 06:59:00

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#197 2013-08-10 15:58:36

Secret squirrel weirdo

https://cruelery.com/uploads/359_secret-squirrel-pvc-patch-multicam.png

The recent revelations by the whistleblower Edward Snowden were fascinating. But they - and all the reactions to them - had one enormous assumption at their heart.

That the spies know what they are doing.

It is a belief that has been central to much of the journalism about spying and spies over the past fifty years. That the anonymous figures in the intelligence world have a dark omniscience. That they know what's going on in ways that we don't...

...It is not the story of men and women who have a better and deeper understanding of the world than we do. In fact in many cases it is the story of weirdos who have created a completely mad version of the world that they then impose on the rest of us.

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#199 2013-08-11 16:19:07

oversight n. An unintentional omission or mistake.

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#200 2013-08-12 09:51:46

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Clickety

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