Bailed over Hungary. Where's Waldo...

The NSA goes looking to hire and finds more Snowdens.

USAToday: Surveillance business booming.

square wrote:

Telescreens vs. the Eye of Sauron.

Thanks for posting that.

*mindfart*

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choad wrote:

My own anecdotal canvas of shit disturbing colleagues reveals once voluble sources say little or nothing any more, when they return their calls at all.

Yes, while an interesting analysis, I think the article gives 1984 short shrift.  He recognized that total surveillance was not necessary to silence dissent.

George Orwell wrote:

There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

The U.S. Marshals Service lost track of about 2,000 encrypted two-way radios worth millions and raised the prospect of criminal access to privileged law enforcement activities.

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square wrote:

Fugitive from justice escapes!

I've driven and bused that border crossing 5 times and nothing about this story tracks.

Emmeran wrote:

I want to give Phreddy props for this thread, what is happening to us now is not driven by politic parties and we need to acknowledge the money and influence at play.

I'm not so sure of that that political parties can be divorced from this mess, after all the whole PNAC crew were in executive power backed by a Republican rubber stamp Congress when everything from the Patriot Act to the militarization of domestic police all began. Even so, the solution won't come from parties, and Pheddy does indeed deserve props for starting this thread.

Emmeran wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/26/us-usa-security-snowden-germany-idUSBRE96P0NQ20130726

It is a slippery slope on which we currently stand.

Just like Bradley Manning (Runs, ducking for cover!)

I think both of these guys had no idea what they were getting into.  Manning thought he would be seen as a hero for exposing military wrongdoing.  Unfortunately for him, the military gets to decide who its heroes are.  And they take seriously your oath to keep secrets.

Snowden has really fucked himself.  I'm betting he never gets out of Russia.  Unless he has stashed the rest of his purloined secrets outside the country, they will never come to public light.  The Russians have no interest in letting the rest of the world in on our secrets, so long as they know them.  And, once they have no more use for Snowden, he will be regulated to a life of routine Russian drudgery.

Hello, we are from the Government and we are here to read your search history...

Not sure if this is the right thread or not but I just saw on Twitter someone say something to the effect of "where America is when our citizens are defecting to Russia." in light of Snowden's asylum.

Nice. May both our Gulag systems someday compete with the Chinese for the mobile market.

The Obama and Bush administrations have so disgraced the reputation of the United States’ criminal justice system that we are forced to promise KGB alums that we will not torture our own citizens if Russia extradites them for prosecution.

The beltway circle jerk weighs in...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/us/ot … ss&emc=rss

Probably not related but SpaceGhetto is now DNS gone.

Having fun yet boys and girls?

More SS hijinks.  The feds are making up false investigation scenarios so defendants cannot question their sources.  Isn't there something in the Constitution about facing your accusers?

Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.

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square wrote:

How we got here (in part).

If the NSA was collecting data in conformance with the act as it is currently written the data would at least be relevant to some investigation.  The problem, as I see it, is that the FISA courts have given carte blanch to the NSA and are ruling that every conceivable bit of information is relevant.

I don't really blame the intelligence gatherers.  In their world, they would like to have access to everything.  We put the court there to rein them in and the court has failed to use common sense.  I suppose we need to incorporate stronger language into the bill to now to rein in the court.

Emmeran wrote:

Having fun yet boys and girls?

The Washington Post had a similar article.  The feds are conspiring to avoid the consequences of the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine, knowing it has no right to use the data for prosecution purposes.  The whole thing is nauseating and probably unstoppable absent some kind of awakening in the body politic.

Liberty or death.

I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations.

Secret squirrel weirdo

The recent revelations by the whistleblower Edward Snowden were fascinating. But they - and all the reactions to them - had one enormous assumption at their heart.

That the spies know what they are doing.

It is a belief that has been central to much of the journalism about spying and spies over the past fifty years. That the anonymous figures in the intelligence world have a dark omniscience. That they know what's going on in ways that we don't...

...It is not the story of men and women who have a better and deeper understanding of the world than we do. In fact in many cases it is the story of weirdos who have created a completely mad version of the world that they then impose on the rest of us.

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oversight n. An unintentional omission or mistake.