#1801 2008-09-01 21:31:06
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#1802 2008-09-02 00:48:16
square wrote:
I will come up with a more friendly report page soon, still thinking about how it should look.
See what you think of this: https://cruelery.com/headervotestats.php.
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#1803 2008-09-02 01:08:12
square wrote:
square wrote:
I will come up with a more friendly report page soon, still thinking about how it should look.
See what you think of this: https://cruelery.com/headervotestats.php.
That ought to generate some lively discussion. Can you explain again how your code resists ballot stuffing?
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#1804 2008-09-02 01:12:33
Your excellent work is perls before swine. I will probably start the next purge at the end of the week with some of the "worst offenders." Sadly, the more "favorited" banners can't be improved any more than to "Show All."
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#1805 2008-09-02 02:42:50
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#1806 2008-09-02 02:43:44
choad wrote:
Can you explain again how your code resists ballot stuffing?
When a vote is cast, the user's IP address, the banner ID, and the current date/time are stored in a voters table*. Each time you attempt to cast a vote, this table is checked and if the IP/banner ID combination is present, the vote is dropped and you get an error message saying you've already voted**. To keep the voter table from becoming too large, records older than 48 hours are purged. There is no difference in the way guests and registered members are treated.
So it is technically possible to stuff the ballot box; you either have to wait 48 hours between votes or change IP addresses to do so. This was somewhat intentional, so that if you later had a change of heart about a particular banner you could vote the opposite way on it, or if you really thought a particular one was great you could vote for it multiple times (albeit with a two-day wait each time).
The behavior can be altered, if there's a good reason to do so. Changing the length of the waiting period is simple; other changes could range from moderately easy to impossible, depending on what they are.
*This table doesn't store whether the vote was for or against; the "pro" or "con" column in the banner table is incremented to record that information.
**Actually, normally you will never see this error message, since the header code also checks the table and disables the vote buttons if it detects you've already voted on that banner.
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#1807 2008-09-02 11:38:57
This has GOT to be a side-pic:
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#1808 2008-09-02 11:40:01
choad wrote:
Mr. Fish! Yay!
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#1810 2008-09-03 00:31:02
No celery = not Art Frahm:
Google reveals it's Gil Elvgren.
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#1811 2008-09-03 01:17:22
square wrote:
Women can now fart frogs? Terrif.
square wrote:
So it is technically possible to stuff the ballot box; you either have to wait 48 hours between votes or change IP addresses to do so.
I haven't noticed this 48-hr job take hold as yet. Not that I WANT to vote multiple times--and would really appreciate it if everybody didn't try to inflate vote counts this way--but it's probably unwise to tell people (including unregistered guests) that they can have some effect on the outcomes in this manner. We don't want that table swelling beyond all reason either, but when it comes to deleting the next set, I won't likely be axing those with under X votes (say, ten or more) and fewer than Y net difference (probably 4-6 or more).
On the flipside, the more I delete (or "undisplay," if I'm really convinced some banner took work to make or might wanna stick around 'til a later time), the more of them I'm likely to release back into circulation and/or bump up to Both View (barring the real obvious eyebleach). Which is to say, with the advent of this voting feature, the balance of banners might as well be in circulation for people to vote on them.
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#1812 2008-09-03 01:22:13
karenw wrote:
This has GOT to be a side-pic:
https://cruelery.com/uploads/thumbs/430_pbutter.jpeg
Your boy?
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#1813 2008-09-03 01:38:13
pALEPHx wrote:
Not that I WANT to vote multiple times--and would really appreciate it if everybody didn't try to inflate vote counts this way--but it's probably unwise to tell people (including unregistered guests) that they can have some effect on the outcomes in this manner. We don't want that table swelling beyond all reason either, but when it comes to deleting the next set, I won't likely be axing those with under X votes (say, ten or more) and fewer than Y net difference (probably 4-6 or more).
I could not have said it better myself.
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#1814 2008-09-03 02:48:32
pALEPHx wrote:
I haven't noticed this 48-hr job take hold as yet. Not that I WANT to vote multiple times--and would really appreciate it if everybody didn't try to inflate vote counts this way--but it's probably unwise to tell people (including unregistered guests) that they can have some effect on the outcomes in this manner.
OK, based on the current number of entries in the table, it seemed like this could be extended. To maintain the air of mystery I won't reveal here what the expiration time is now, but it is longer. I don't want to make this too long, or we'll start to run into the dynamic IP problem. That is, someone like me on dialup votes, then the next poor shmuck who gets the same IP address tomorrow is prevented from voting. Yeah, I realize this isn't a big problem with DSL and cable users having near-static IPs and the small number of people who actually visit the site, but I would rather have a few bogus votes slip through than block legitimate ones.
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#1815 2008-09-03 02:54:14
square wrote:
I would rather have a few bogus votes slip through than block legitimate ones.
god bless America.
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#1816 2008-09-03 05:01:26
where is this poll? I can't see a poll. I guess I'm fucking Florida in this election, no?
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#1817 2008-09-03 05:02:10
and as a write in, my absolute favorite banner of all time is the painted red branches with just the "high street" written across it.
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#1818 2008-09-03 06:40:59
whiskytangofoxtrot wrote:
Your boy?
Nope, they're both way older than this now. Just found it on the intertubes and was smitten.
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#1819 2008-09-03 13:22:30
icangetyouatoe wrote:
where is this poll? I can't see a poll. I guess I'm fucking Florida in this election, no?
HOW TO VOTE!
1. Hover your cursor over the banner at the top of the page. Anywhere above the navigation bar ("Home, High-Street Forum, User List...") is fine.
2. A small pair of Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down icons will appear on the right hand side of the banner area. These will display current vote totals on each.
3. Click once on the Thumb that reflects your opinion of the banner shown (not "banners in general, life, HS, or your generally dim view of the world").
4. Your vote will be counted and you will be returned to the page you were on. It would be unwise to do this on a page where you are entering text.
5. Continue voting or stop there. The more negative votes a banner gets, the more likely it is to be removed by the end of the week (still not a guarantee*).
* Eventually, a critical point will be reached where banner voting activity may exceed the number of banners being produced in a week. I will keep bringing older banners out of storage for a while, so that they may be voted on, but I reserve the right not to be too heavy handed with the purge as we would--given this particular audience--end up looking at the same dozen banners all day.
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#1820 2008-09-03 23:55:24
Thanks for the write-up, Pale; note that if you have Javascript disabled, you probably won't see the thumbs-up and thumbs-down buttons.
pALEPHx wrote:
. . . I reserve the right not to be too heavy handed with the purge as we would--given this particular audience--end up looking at the same dozen banners all day.
You might expect a certain negativity from this crowd, but at the moment happy thoughts are winning out: there have been a total of 927 "for" votes cast versus 539 "against."
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#1821 2008-09-04 01:35:03
I have a question for the voters in the crowd: I'm amused by the reactions the various banners I've done have received. Some that I was sure were popular are evidently not, and others I don't actually like myself even though I designed them are popular.
One I'm particularly curious about is the guy who who's had his face tattooed to resemble a cat. I'm not offended by its lack of popularity - I'm just curious as to what it is about it that people dislike.
Any takers?
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#1822 2008-09-04 01:51:55
I don't dislike it. He is a sad case just the same though.
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#1823 2008-09-04 01:52:16
So did you Fuck Mr. Palin, or what?
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#1824 2008-09-04 01:55:43
Dmtdust wrote:
So did you Fuck Mr. Palin, or what?
Alas, no. The first time I ever saw him was in a city council meeting; I was listening to the proceedings when this good looking guy came in, sat near me and kept me completely distracted through the rest of the meeting. Later, I asked a friend who he was. "Oh, him? That's Sarah's husband."
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#1827 2008-09-04 18:14:05
square wrote:
You might expect a certain negativity from this crowd, but at the moment happy thoughts are winning out: there have been a total of 927 "for" votes cast versus 539 "against."
That's probably because people would sooner not vote than to be responsible for a banner's removal. Be responsible, people!
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#1828 2008-09-05 01:08:11
Taint, he just freaks me out. He's scary. That's why I voted against it.
I think my all time favorite is Fnord's "Comin' Through". That and the red branch one, and the dog close up one.
All of you are super talented. Taint, Pale-you guys hopefully get money for these sort of things in your offline lives. You deserve it.
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#1829 2008-09-05 02:55:53
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#1830 2008-09-05 03:17:09
icangetyouatoe wrote:
All of you are super talented. Taint, Pale-you guys hopefully get money for these sort of things in your offline lives. You deserve it.
You're very sweet, Toe. Something tells me you're wanted in at least nine states.
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#1831 2008-09-05 03:46:11
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#1832 2008-09-05 03:49:27
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#1833 2008-09-05 15:43:30
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#1835 2008-09-06 02:21:30
The purge begins. Several banners deleted, others revealed again. I will try to keep the stats and the rotation equal, but this is more of a vague estimate than a hard science, so please to enjoy the older banners back in circulation (and be voting on them, you cheap whores).
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#1836 2008-09-06 02:47:28
Oh, hey, can we get, like, a couple pixel wide border on the appropriate vote button to indicate which way we have already voted, if already voted we have?
So, saying I've voted up on the pierced-catman banner, when it pops up and you mouseover it, you see the thumbs up/down button, but the up one has, like, a couple pixels worth of brightly colored (blue?) border to indicate that that's how I fucking voted?
Say, for example, that a banner appears. And I vote on it. In the act of voting, say that High Street notices that I have voted on it, and on future displays of that banner, the button indicating the direction of my vote is highlighted in some manner.
I think what I am trying to get at is the buttons, on the banner, should perhaps indicate the vote a person has already registed, assuming this has happened 'cause you're not some kind of unvoting hippie.
...
So.
The banner.
I think what I am saying, if I am not mistaken about such things,
I have now gotten bored with this halfass drunktroll. Fuck yourselves.
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#1837 2008-09-06 17:06:17
jesusluvspegging wrote:
I think what I am trying to get at is the buttons, on the banner, should perhaps indicate the vote a person has already registed, assuming this has happened 'cause you're not some kind of unvoting hippie.
Once you have voted on a banner, when the same banner comes up again the buttons will be disabled, and the tooltip that appears when you hover over a button will make this clear.
The way you voted isn't tied to you in the database, so if you're too drunk to remember whether you loved or hated a banner there's not much I can do to help you.
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#1838 2008-09-06 17:10:46
Taint wrote:
icangetyouatoe wrote:
All of you are super talented. Taint, Pale-you guys hopefully get money for these sort of things in your offline lives. You deserve it.
You're very sweet, Toe. Something tells me you're wanted in at least nine states.
How'd you know?
http://www.mostwantedhoes.com/index.php
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#1839 2008-09-06 17:14:16
icangetyouatoe wrote:
Taint wrote:
icangetyouatoe wrote:
All of you are super talented. Taint, Pale-you guys hopefully get money for these sort of things in your offline lives. You deserve it.
You're very sweet, Toe. Something tells me you're wanted in at least nine states.
How'd you know?
We have our ways.
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#1841 2008-09-06 21:31:24
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#1842 2008-09-06 23:30:26
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#1843 2008-09-07 01:43:57
pALEPHx wrote:
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That's on my all time favorite list.
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#1844 2008-09-07 02:06:31
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#1845 2008-09-07 02:27:12
Bat Boy? Again?
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#1846 2008-09-07 02:41:36
Let's just remake all our old banners.
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#1847 2008-09-07 15:03:12
Taint wrote:
Let's just remake all our old banners.
Bite your tongue.
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#1848 2008-09-07 15:13:58
pALEPHx wrote:
Bat Boy? Again?
Didn't realize it was a repost; please accept my humblest apologies. It was created in response to a conversation in a thread last night.
**bows reverently, backs out of the room with face on the floor, then turns and flashes bare ass at you before finally exiting**
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#1849 2008-09-07 15:31:43
Not everything out of Zookie's mouth is worth making a banner of, Karen. Next time, think, "High Street...because the Weekly World News is out of print."
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#1850 2008-09-07 15:38:07
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